Hello, this is Caryl of Melvyn Caryl.

Until most recently our contact with the public has been through our website, zebandzarna.com. This is where the messages of Zeb and Zarna are shared with the public. This pod cast is the first in series of channeled sessions prepared by us, Melvyn Caryl and Zeb and Zarna for audio publication.

Unlike this introduction the channeled sessions are conversational and completely unscripted. We hope you will enjoy the playful approach of Zeb and Zarna as they teach us.

Melvyn is in full trance and unaware of questions I am about to ask. Our first topic will be Love: Spiritual and Physical—Why is it at the top of the Zeb and Zarna list?

(Beginning of Session)

Zeb: > Good evening, Princess. (Laughter)

Caryl: > Good evening, Zeb.

Zeb: > How are you this evening.

Caryl: > I am doing very well, thank you.

Zeb: > So you want to do something that is called a pod cast?

Caryl: > Yes that’s what they call it, a pod cast. It’s just a little recording that we put out on the internet, and people can listen to it and then perhaps after they listen if they have questions they can present those questions to us through the website, zebandzarna.com.

Zeb: > And I am supposed to keep it within 20 minutes.

Caryl: > That’s what you are supposed to do. (Laughter)

Zeb: > That’s going to be hard.

Caryl: > I know, you are not known for brevity.

Zeb: > (chuckle) What would you like for the topic….

Caryl: > Well, I went through the topics that you suggested sometime ago when we first talked about this and it seemed as though the one that popped out at me that I thought would be a really good beginning is… Love: Spiritual and Physical—why is this at the top of the Zeb and Zarna list. Could you speak on this please?

Zeb: > Certainly, Love is at the top of the list… we don’t necessarily distinguish between spiritual and physical. Love is an energy. It is an energy that holds all things together. It is an energy that is balanced if it is to work properly.

When you speak of spiritual, oftentimes you speak of the inner you—the God Center you--whatever you wish to call it—the Christ consciousness… the inner you. That is where we dwell within you.

And you speak of the physical as the outer expression. A lot of people will often think of physical love as only that which occurs between a man and a woman, or between a woman and a woman--we don’t make judgments…or between a man and a man. But that is not complete.

Love is a feeling that you have from within that comes from your God center. it comes from your spiritual self, as an appreciation of the things that occur that are around you in your environment. Be it a sunset, or be it a moonlit ocean. Your appreciation of these things is love, art, dance, music, all of these things… appreciating the field of wildflowers that appear in the spring or a nest of robins, or a flight of an eagle in mid air. These things are the natural wonders, the natural beauty, and it leaves you feeling lifted by the experience.

Does not the feeling of being in love with another individual also give you a lifting feeling?

Caryl: > Of Course.

Zeb: > It is only when there is an imbalance—where one perhaps loves more deeply than the other. Or where one loves with an expectation of the other--a possessiveness of the other. This is where we coin the phrase—Divine Love or Unconditional Love—love without condition. Love without bondage. Love without expectations. Love without possessiveness. Love that is broadcast. If you wish to find other examples of that kind of love that is often called Divine Love, think of the sun on that field of flowers that we spoke of earlier. It settles over all the flowers of the field. It gives each flower the nurture, the energy that is necessary to grow and to build itself.

Of course it takes other elements. It takes where they are grounded. Where their foundation comes from. But that “love energy,” that radiance of the sun is spread equally to all.

Be a sun when you love others. It’s not something that you possess. It is something that you give equally to all, freely to all, in whatever manner in which you choose. That is Divine Love.

That is Divine Sexuality. It is the energy that forms the cohesiveness of all things physical—between man and woman, between the inner and outer you. It is the thing that holds a people together, a nation together.

When there is an imbalance of one verses the other, masculine verses feminine aspects in a culture, in an individual, then you have problems and difficulties. As with all things—not with just humans, you have masculine and feminine aspects. You find this is your plant kingdom. You find it within the animal kingdom. You find it within humans.

Masculine and Feminine.

Too often you make a mistake in your world of thinking that “I’m all man,” or “I’m all woman.” No you are not! You have the seed of your Twin Soul within you who is of the opposite gender aspect. It is by that seed that you shall know her or him. It is by that seed that you achieve balance from within that you will eventually be drawn together by the powers, the forces of the universe. The power of the universe… of like attracts like—the law of relativity.

It goes not only for your plants but for the balance and energy between all your planets—the different forms of your solar system, the constellations, the different galaxies. This is the energy, the balance.

Anytime there is an imbalance, where there is more masculine or more feminine… when there is more masculine… more focus on the analytical the logical side, and less focus on the intuition, the imagination, the appreciation, the passion, you are going to have problems.

Generally you have this problem anytime where there is an imbalance between the two. There is really no such thing as a distinction between physical or spiritual love. It is all Divine Love. When there is this balance, this mutual appreciation or attraction, this uplifting of the other as well as yourself then you have Divine Love.

You have Divine Love when you view that ocean scene with the moon setting over its horizon. You have Divine Love expressed in physicality when you see the sunrise or a field of flowers. It is these things, an eagle in flight, those things that bring the beauty generally are those that appeal to the feminine side. You can rationalize it all you wish—use your ego, use your masculine aspects and you won’t gain the benefit from it.

Caryl: > If I may interrupt just a moment. I few minutes ago in another channeling you mentioned something that I thought was very helpful for this understanding. You said something to the effect that when you look at a sunset and appreciate the beauty of that sunset, you are doing so without expectation. I feel that this is such a good example that oftentimes when we are with our mates, or other individuals, we have these expectations that get in the way of our Unconditional Love. Could you speak on that?

Zeb: > Certainly… Love is given as well as received without expectation. You don’t look at a ocean, or the beauty of a sunset, or a sunrise thinking that it is going to conform to your standards. It is a fleeting thing. It is a delicate thing that you accept from within with your feminine passions that is acceptance. Acceptance is so much a part of love as is the opposite that [there] is no possessiveness. You have an acceptance of what is without trying to own that beauty. That moment that is so fleeting.

As I said in that other channeling. Love always changes over time. It is still love. You take that sunset, and it will go from sunset to darkness. But it is never total darkness. There is a different kind of beauty in moonlight. Oftentimes your earlier people referred to the moon as the feminine symbol. Stars have their own beauty they bring that which is out there closer to you. That inner appreciation is the feminine aspect of love.

The masculine aspect can appreciate love if it turns off that which is so controlling, so analytical. It’s easier for the masculine aspect to accept that “God is out there somewhere watching you” than it is to accept that God is within you—inside.

All the things that have ever been created for you and around you and including you come from within—not the universe. That which is within creates all things….

Caryl: > This seems to be the one thing difficult for many to grasp, that God is not somewhere out there. That it is within us and it is only when we turn within that we begin to touch that.

Zeb: > All things have opposites. We talk of the masculine and feminine genders as opposites. We could use, without the connotations of good and bad, the positive and negative aspect of energy. The sine waves that natural energy goes through. All electricity is generated by positive and negative flow. These things are within all things that are created. So oftentimes man is able to see that which is physical, that which is out there, and he marvels at God’s creation. But he thinks he is looking at the creator. You can look for universes and find nothing but God’s creation. To find God you have to go within you.

It is like another saying, looking for happiness, and all the time, all the while, it is in your own backyard. If you search for God, search all you want, you will never find him or her, “out there,” you will find him and her within you at the center of your soul where you are all joined together with others.

It is that way with all things. It is easier to see the physical and discount or disbelieve those things that are the unseen. People have difficulty even accepting the things that they know that are there but they can’t see them. Radio waves. Television waves. Microwaves. Talking on the internet. How do these things work?

They don’t care, they accept it. Accept that God is within you and that balance of inner and outer is very important. The balance between the physical self…how you conduct yourself within your realm and among others is very important to bring that balance from within out.

Too many times my children have a tendency of reading what others say and taking that within—that is the wrong direction! Don’t take what others have said, be it a religion, be it your local guru, be it a new age self-help book. Go within and find it and bring it out and apply it.

Eveny thing that ever was can be found within you.

Caryl: > Well, that is wonderful, Zeb. And you are almost at your twenty minute limit. (laughter)

Zeb: > There are ways that we can be tapered. Pretty soon you may have to put a bell…

Caryl: > Thank you Zeb we appreciate your insight and we will come back again… Those who are listening if you have questions you can present them to us through email from our website at zebandzarna.com.

Zeb: > With love always, Zeb and Zarna.