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Hello,

I did some reading on your website and I now want to ask you a question. Up until last night, I had the understanding that all spirit world beings that live inside physical bodies on planets were created and living in the spirit world long before they entered into physical bodies...

However, last night, I got the new idea that Earthlings might have the ability to create new souls, via sexual mating with each other, that had never previous existence anywhere before, on Earth, other planets, or within the spirit world, or other dimensions .

Am I correct about that new idea that I just thought of last night?

Yours Truly, Kentstarchild

Dear KentStarchild and T.P.

Thank you for your questions and this time you brought out a subject that takes more then a little explaining However, this is a good way for us all to learn more about these subjects.

Someone very recently asked me why the information on our site is so complicated? I am sorry if it seems that way, and we will try to explain when necessary, but God’s creation is complicated. If we create more questions with our answers, then please feel free to ask them. If we don't have answers, we will take the questions to ZZ.

It is true that one can know God in their heart, love God to the depth of their being and not know a thing about the complexity of God’s creation. However, we live in a time and society where many have twisted the original intent of past spiritual teachings. ZZ, through The Voice attempts to unravel misinformation taught by those who look to misinterpreted and mistranslated ancient texts for their understanding. Many of these texts are supposed “Words” originally given by God in another time and culture. Now, in this time a great percentage of people on our planet have some elementary education. Zeb and Zarna’s intent is to clarify these misconceptions.

So let us begin.

Yes, Kent, you are partially correct with your new idea about creation of souls. However, it isn’t so new—sorry! J The Emerald tablet tells of this, and this document dates back into antiquity. Let me point out that it is not “earthlings” alone, who create souls, nor do they “do it” here in physicality—on earth, but as souls in spirit form while on the Otherside. There are many souls who have incarnated as different beings from many planets and other universes. Earthlings may be earthlings in this incarnation—but in their next incarnation might choose to experience a different star system. So it is soul-beings who procreate new souls—not just earthlings.

I suggest reading, The Comprehensive Guide to the Twin Soul, Part 1& 2 (CGS). This article gives an outline of the Soul Group structure and of sub-grouping into Mission Group Clusters (the maternity ward) and Twin Soul Families. It is important to know that we continue to receive new information, and though the information in CGS is accurate, it is based on what was available to us several months ago. Since then we have been given more on the purpose of soul creation and alliances within and outside of the Mission Group Cluster—which I will touch on in this article. This subject can get complicated, so I am going to let Zeb and Zarna do most of the work by using quotes from the Messages.

I am often the one who poses the questions to Zeb and Zarna, and when Mel first began channeling, ZZ would address me as My Daughter. Zarna even went so far as to once call me, Daughter of our Hearts, Product of our Joining! I was not surprised to be called My Daughter. Even Jesus called God, “My Father.” One time I referred to myself as their “Soul Child.” They continue to use the term as an endearment and also to teach us about soul creation.

According to your note, Kent —if I understand you correctly—until recently you believed all souls came into being at the same time. This is a very popular belief especially among the New Age teachings. I think this belief is influenced by the Big Bang theory—which many assume is a scientific fact and have adopted it as a spiritual truth. It is not fact, but rather a theory, and ZZ rejects it as a scientific or a spiritual cause of All That Is. I only bring this up because so many link the Big Bang with the beginning of God’s creation.

I tell you, God’s creation is not limited to our universe, this dimension and other related dimensions and is much older than the creation of our universe. There are multiple universes and multiple dimensions so complex that ZZ can only give us a sketch because it is truly beyond our comprehension.

Some Clips from the ZZ Messages
on
“The Big Bang:”

Zeb> 76: 23. Neither be enamored with your so-called sciences, which are for the most part suppositions of the truth that is not fully understood. Such includes your Big Bang Theory and Quantum Physics. These theories are often used as attempts to reach beyond your understanding to places where ideas are created. There are elements of truth in all these, but in the future these theories will become as obsolete as the belief that the Earth is flat or that it is the center of the universe.

76: 25. As for "The Big Bang Theory," the universe did not "explode" into being. It grew into being at a rate that one would consider extremely fast and expansive. Have you seen how a single fertilized human egg divides and subdivides into a complete human embryo? On a cosmic scale of direct proportion this could be considered an "explosion." All is relative in your dimension. Be not amazed by God's creation--you are part of it.

The Big Bang theory, where it is believed that all matter came into being in one instant, begs the answer to the question: If all matter was created in one instantaneous big bang, then why do we now see planets, solar systems and galaxies full of stars dying and being born?

The answer is: The Big Bang theory at best explains the possibility of a local event—meaning local to our universe. God does not live out there—in our universe or any other—but in the innerverse or inner-dimension. All things in God’s creation grow, cycle and recycle. Universes, stars and people are born and die, and are reborn from the dust. Nothing is wasted. All life and matter has meaning.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zeb> 67:10 … Your planet is the only one known to you; therefore many of you think incorrectly that yours is the center of the universe from which all things came and to which all things return. It isn't so.

67:12. In case you and others haven't noticed by now, our focus is on your world as the outer realm of our world (the inner realm). We try to tie the two together… that you will feel connected with the trillions of others who are your kind, not just on your planet alone.

67:32. No. All that can be seen is the approximate center of your universe where supposedly the "Big Bang" occurred (but didn't). You cannot even see the edges of your own universe to know what many exist beyond it. So you assume there is only one (the one you can see).

67:33. Beyond the bubble of your universe other universe bubbles exist in cellular fashion making up a larger living whole that mortal minds cannot even begin to comprehend. You are part of the One Living God in more ways than one. Look to your own bodies and its cell development and see God.

Those who look to The Big Bang theory as the event from which all souls were created somehow suppose that those who are still incarnating are in someway inferior or less spiritual than those who have progressed beyond their incarnational cycles.

Others extend this to include the concept of “retributive karma” —meaning that those still incarnate can’t for some reason “get it right” and have to keep coming back, and sometimes are required to live tormented lives to atone for misdeeds. This is simply untrue! This also sets up an incorrect assumption of a hierarchy of more spiritually advanced souls. Well, there is a hierarchy of more spiritually evolved souls who were created before us—souls who have advanced and attained completion and have achieved higher degrees of spiritual awareness. But just as our older physical brothers and sisters, graduate and progress through their lives ahead of us, so do our spiritual brothers and sisters who came before us.

Awareness that there is a cyclical system allows us to truly understand the struggles and mistakes of others without the necessity of judgment. Young evolving souls in physicality learn from their mistakes and try again to do it better or differently in the next life, as opposed to being punished by karmic retribution for their youthfulness and inexperience. We are all traveling from and returning to the Source in our own time, at our respective degrees of maturity, and do so according to our self-made life plans—not karmic punishment. (See Life Planning: Charting the Twin Soul Experience. Also Q&A #6 Disabilities: Are They Karmic Retribution?) We will go into life plans again in more detail in another article—for I feel that a deeper understanding is needed.

I realize this is secondary to your question, Kent, but I feel this setup is necessary to put the process of soul birth and progression in perspective. All God’s creation grows and cycles. It did not blast into existence in one instant. All that we think of as God—from the Grand Consortium (The Source)—to the experiential self (Its offspring, us)—continuously cycles, going out from the center (Consortium) to the outer limits of creation (physicality) and returning Home. In the spiritual world after completion, the soul continues to experience other wonders of this phenomenal system. An uninterrupted flow of souls ever moving through birth and growth, expand the “All Soul” outward, while returning older souls, move inward.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zarna> 35A:22. There is no upward movement. Up is relative. There is only expansion outward and contraction or reuniting inward… the “Source of All Light” lies at the center, not "up" or "out." “The All Soul” is a globular sphere of energy ever expanding outward as it internally rotates inward. At its center is the “Source of All Light.”

So how and where do we come into being?

The creation of new souls takes place within what ZZ terms as the Astral Realm—the lower spiritual realm nearest the physical realms, that is Home to us between our incarnations. Zeb and Zarna are beyond this realm in what they term the Mental Realm, the world of the Twelve Oversouls and other highly evolved beings. Zeb and Zarna are not only the Oversoul of their Soul Group; they are also Over-OverSouls. Meaning they preside over, and have responsibility for all the eleven other OverSouls and the other eleven Soul Groups--each one having many, many Mission Groups Clusters, Twin Soul Families groups, and small family alliances within and between other Soul Groups.

ZZ uses the concept of, “As below, so as above” which is found in the Emerald Tablet—to explain mysteries where a comparison is possible.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zeb> 67: 29. Do you believe The Emerald Tablet compares the outer universe to the inner universe--that somehow you can see the Things of God reflected in your own physical universe?

67:30. Before you answer that question, Caryl, realize that it is rhetorical in nature. We know you believe this.

Human babies are created through love and joining. The spark of life and the sharing of physical DNA bring our biological children into being and carry forward our generations. Soul creation happens the same way. However on the Otherside, they have a much more advanced method of birth control! :-)

From the ZZ Messages:

Zeb> 69:16 The spiritual realm of the soul does not experience the limitations and restrictions that your cultures and societies impose upon the demonstration of love by its people for control. Here you are free to merge for the joy of it, or for special needs of the [soul] "child" to be created.

Zarna> 32:35 “… life does not come from each and every merging of souls; [on the Otherside] only by the will of the One Mother does new life come into being from the source essence of that which was before.”

Zarna>32:10 We have already discussed that the soul in question was created… by direction of the One Mother, not by the casual "hanky-panky" between cavorting gods and goddesses.

Zeb> 69:6 …All souls are born into a group of Twin Souls which become part of one of the many Mission Soul Groups. (Clusters) They receive their initial knowing from their Spiritual Parents and the All Soul which contains all memories.

Well, it does sound like we have fun there, doesn’t it? There are other references, but I think you get the idea. Soul-beings on the Otherside can merge for pleasure at will with whoever they choose, but only on the command of the Feminine Aspects of the Grand Consortium, the One Mother, are two souls (one masculine aspect and one feminine aspect) asked to bring forth new soul-progeny. This is important for it is not an arbitrary creation. The references above clearly state that there is a Divine Plan or design behind when and who is created, and the abilities with which they will be brought into being. Unlike the incarnational personality who chooses their biological parents—souls, as far as I know, do not.

To understand these next references it is important to know that from the Source (The Grand Consortium) to the Mission Group Cluster all mothers are referred to with respect as One Mothers—each replicating the station of the One Mother of the Grand Consortium. The All Soul is one huge replication from the center outward and continues like rays of the sun into physical realms.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zeb> 69:15… it is not always the case that those born into the family will come from the same Twin Soul couple who are the Mission Group Cluster Oversoul ("Spiritual Parents"). For instance, some may require special memories that are not included in the "Spiritual Father" of that group. If this is the case the "Spiritual Mother" merges (joins) with another, and this other’s soul memories [Soul signature-DNA] and talents become part of the newly created individuation or soul child.

69: 21. …it is important to be aware… that your soul memories is more than just a remembrance. It is your "spiritual DNA" passed down to the Composite Souls from their [spiritual] parents. Just as your individual incarnational selves contain all the memories of your past lives, the Composite Soul contains all the memories of whatever mix of One Mother and One Father combination was required.

Within the order of God’s creation that we are all part of, each Twin Soul [Composite] is gifted with defined roles—special abilities that serve, not only their individual spiritual growth but the needs of the ever expanding “worlds” of God.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zeb> 67: 5. This is the path… that leads to the One God that we are all on. As with all paths, not all who take that journey are "travelers." Some… keep order to the procession (the "OverSouls"), others defend the travelers from outside threats, (the Defenders), while still others are healers and entertainers (yes, soul energy needs the joy of laughter, and the appreciation of beauty found in the arts,) and some travelers find themselves in need of a "doctor" at times (Soul Healers).

67: 6. Do you see what we are getting at? We are speaking of “roles” that individual clusters of souls play while we are all traveling on that path. Being an OverSoul is but one role, and you are right, not all become an OverSoul, nor is such "better," "higher," more privileged than others. These are our Service Roles and often one can fulfill a variety of roles without compromising their mission. Zarna and I are OverSouls, Travelers, Guides, Guardians, Parents and Grandparents (for not all are of our [soul group] or our direct creation.)

Zeb> 69:13. Not all souls have missions that last three or more Grand Cycles. But Melvyn Caryl has, along with many others. You are caretakers of future worlds not yet born….

69: 11. There are many things that groups of souls choose as their mission that takes three or more Grand Cycles to complete for their focus is on the growth of the multiverse they are within, not only for their own personal growth. The universe is a living organism, with many organisms far beyond your ken. It takes much to facilitate its growth and progress in addition to your own progress. You are an integral part of your living physical universe. It is a symbiotic relationship. It sustains your physical being and you sustain it. You are not the only thing living that must evolve within the physical multiverse.

I might add that a Grand Cycle which is a cycle that involves all multiverses and multidimensions equates to approximately one million years. As in our physical world where there is a time for everything, and seasons of life. (See Twin Soul Goddess—Cycles and Seasons) We are born, have a childhood, soon followed by adolescence, young adulthood when we are likely to create children, and then a period of maturity when—for most of us—our years of having children ceases and we enjoy our grandchildren. Often this is the time of our greatest spiritual growth. This same thing happens on the Otherside. As I understand it, it is possible for soul-being to always procreate, but once the merged composite soul moves to the Mental Plane, this is no longer their function. The Astral Plane is the plane of early maturation where soul development through incarnation and is the the primary focus.

From the Mission Group, souls—one masculine aspect, one feminine aspect—bring the souls into being. The older and more highly evolved souls like Zeb and Zarna would at this point in their evolution be considered Soul Grand Parents. The comparison to the family is an excellent one. Though there are differences between our physical existence and our spiritual lives in the spiritual realm, there are also parallels and close friendship relationships do exist. So “The Family” has been ZZ’s favorite way to describe these relationships.

From the ZZ Messages:

Zarna 36:25 …You are concerned about the One Mother in all her ramifications--which you are One--having a cycle of life generation like mortal mothers. Do we, and you, go through a menopause?

36:26. Yes. When you progress beyond the Mission Group… soul creation [individuation] ceases to be. It becomes the responsibility of your daughters and sons. I am the One (Grand) Mother of your Soul Group. I no longer produce souls. My soul children, like you, are mature and are coming home--meaning that we who are ready, as you are, are all changing places as we move from one progression back towards the center.

Dear friends, as you can see the subject is complex. Here ZZ not only tells us that souls are born but why. Within that complexity we begin to see with some clarity a system with purpose that makes sense out of a spiritual reality that before now, if understood at all, has been shrouded in obscure mystic language. This is not the first time this information has been given. It is the first time in centuries it has been made understandable in a simple language.

Thank you, Kent and T.P. for your questions. They are important ones, and I am sure they will only stimulate more questions. Zeb and Zarna continue to teach us on every subject. When we launched this site in May of 2004, we had 56 channeling sessions from which to draw. We now have 85. So the information keeps coming with new subjects and expansions on what has already been given.

I assure you, there will be a book—in fact, many, and eventually publishing of the ZZ Messages, but until then, we will continue to try and answer your questions and post ZZ Messages of interest.

Zeb and Zarna give once again tools to bring a divided world to harmony. Give to others what you wish most for yourself, and be a radiant beacon that ignites the fires of love in others.

Be the love that you are,
Always,
Melvyn Caryl 1/7/05

Zarna> 35A:19…You are the perfection, the collimation of All of us and therefore carry more development progression than all your spiritual and physical mothers before you. You are more than we (Zeb and Zarna) --not less, as you assume…

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